CA prop 8

[jan_andrea]

I'm really happy that Obama won... but completely and utterly disgusted that Prop Hate (8) passed in California.

Personally, I think all the people who voted "Yes" should have their state-sanctioned marriages dissolved. See how they like it when a simple majority says, "Fuck you, you can't get married because we think it's icky!"

I'm really appalled by this.

In all honesty, if you live in CA and you voted to support Prop 8? Please remove me from your friends list, because I don't want to be friends with anyone who can support that sort of repulsive use of a ballot initiative and still look themselves in the mirror in the morning. This is especially true if you voted for it against your own conscience. That is just fucking wrong. What is your conscience for, if not to tell you what's right and what's wrong? Blind obedience is worse than ignorance. If you can vote to take away someone else's rights, you're no friend of mine. Period. I can tolerate/sympathize with/understand a lot of things in a friend, but some things are just deal-breakers, and this is one of them.

ETA: This is a nice summation.
And this an even better one.

Comments

[dreamalynn.livejournal.com]

The thing which really makes me sickest about the whole Prop 8 thing is that the Yes campaign, with all of its lies, I mean blatant lies, and fearmongering, and attempts to divert the point away from "removing rights from people by fiat" to shrill "but the children" bullshit, was majority funded by members of a particular religion, from out of state. In essence, California's political system just became Utah's bitch.

I still don't understand it. I especially don't understand how Prop 8 passed in Los Angeles county. I mean, Hollywood? What? It's insanity.

[jan-andrea.livejournal.com]

I know -- it was such an ugly campaign. Just despicable.

Some have suggested going after Mormons' right to marry, since they're a minority group, just to turn the tables. Except that being Mormon is a choice, etc. It's really a shame that they (among the other sponsoring groups) can't understand what they just did.

[dreamalynn.livejournal.com]

I've seen more than a few cynical mentions that this is not about a deeply felt opposition to homosexuality as much as it is about "you f'ed with our marriage choices, now we've got the money to turn the tables."

[jan-andrea.livejournal.com]

OMG, I hadn't thought of it that way, but heh.

OTOH, I'm all for polygamy/polyandry, as long as it's amongst fully consenting adults (i.e. no forced child marriages, obviously) and even legal recognition of poly families, so I'm not one to cast aspersions about Mormon polygamy (when it's consensual). Not something I'm interested in myself, but if it works for a group of people, why not let it be legal?

I would draw the line at animals, though. They can't consent :)

[dreamalynn.livejournal.com]

Consent for me is the issue, as the way that the FLDS offshoots practice polygamy isn't anywhere near consensual. If it were, then yeah, go for it.

And that's not my opinion just because it might be personally useful. ;)

[jan-andrea.livejournal.com]

Yep, it's all about consent. I was a big Heinlein fan back in the day, and while I don't feel the need for a big poly family now, I'd hardly be one to deny others the right.