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Jan Heirtzler ([personal profile] jan_andrea) wrote2008-11-05 09:43 am

CA prop 8

I'm really happy that Obama won... but completely and utterly disgusted that Prop Hate (8) passed in California.

Personally, I think all the people who voted "Yes" should have their state-sanctioned marriages dissolved. See how they like it when a simple majority says, "Fuck you, you can't get married because we think it's icky!"

I'm really appalled by this.

In all honesty, if you live in CA and you voted to support Prop 8? Please remove me from your friends list, because I don't want to be friends with anyone who can support that sort of repulsive use of a ballot initiative and still look themselves in the mirror in the morning. This is especially true if you voted for it against your own conscience. That is just fucking wrong. What is your conscience for, if not to tell you what's right and what's wrong? Blind obedience is worse than ignorance. If you can vote to take away someone else's rights, you're no friend of mine. Period. I can tolerate/sympathize with/understand a lot of things in a friend, but some things are just deal-breakers, and this is one of them.

ETA: This is a nice summation.
And this an even better one.

[identity profile] lissie930.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
Of course, I'm one of those folks who would be perfectly fine with not limiting marriage to two people either. :) I mean, if you can *make* a poly relationship work to that point, go you! I just don't get it. The only times I tend to feel like my marriage is...impacted? influenced? by someone else's are when the other marriage (a) fails and makes me appreciate my lovely husband all the more; (b) sucks and makes me appreciate my lovely husband all the more; or (c) is really good and makes me appreciate my lovely husband all the more. As my dad says, I wouldn't support MANDATORY homosexual marriage for all, but CONSENSUAL marriage is great. :)

[identity profile] jan-andrea.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
That's too funny -- I was just writing that as a reply to Dreamalynn above :D

[identity profile] lissie930.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly! The "marrying animals" and "marrying children" arguments just don't hold because they can't consent.

I don't know, I just think that if the republicans REALLY and TRULY want *less* government, get the fuck out of my marriage, my bedroom, and my body. *ahem* Yeah. Sorry for the swearing.

[identity profile] jan-andrea.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that's always bothered me, too. Like, dude, there's no freedom involved in *restricting* people's rights! And they're worried now that Obama will "take away their freedoms". Come on. Bush did more to take away individuals' freedoms than any president I've ever known. That's a bit of a soapbox for me, too. And don't worry about the swearing :D

[identity profile] lissie930.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I do hope that Obama limits the religious right's freedom to impose their values on the rest of the country.

[identity profile] jan-andrea.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
LOL -- good point :D